A man was a suspect in this crime, and one document, a search warrant, are from LEs investigation of him. I have the images but Im not sure they are accurate. Investigators said in the probable cause affidavit that they believe Allen is the man seen on the video. She described his eyes as dark and evil. As far as my theories, I made a video (see here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IIoxYhsduLQ) that outlines the visions held a couple of days upon learning of this crime. Kline is being held in jail after being arrested on separate child porn charges in 2020. BG himself is both the catfish young man and the older man who is the actual killer, so he is both sketches at once, obviously. He doesnt want to get uncovered revealing official case documents to the media. People may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15568704. We think they were working in a packing plant in the Delphi area and then were transferred to a sister plant in the Evansdale area. He also noted that it appeared to him as if Libby German may have been personally attacked based on the extent of her injuries. Theres a knife that he used to kill the girls. So who is Mr. X? If you wish to join, please go here. Tony Kline is 65, 310 pounds! Thats why he has those Packers boots on. Can you believe that I said that on Facebook, and some retarded ass computer flagged it and banned me for a while for insulting another user? The only case I am familiar with is the Bittaker-Norris Murders in Southern California. Im not buying the fact that they just werent equipped to handle an investigation of this magnitude. That makes no sense. Clothing soaked in blood, seen and unseen. Last, I want to bring up RL and the dirty hand LE dealt him throughout all of this. But alas, he raped one lass too many, and the law closed in on him holed up in his home, which now resembled Dodge City. Just thought I would draw your attention to it. I do not feel comfortable answering that question right now. When Allen voluntarily spoke to police on Oct. 26, 2022, he said he never allowed anyone to borrow that gun, which he said he owned since 2001, the document added. Very hard to really tell anything a lot of shadows from trees and debris on ground. Can you spell out the name? Hi folks. The LE source below is an LE sources close to the Delphi Murders investigation. If he left, LE might tow it or search it. Both investigators were women. He could have worn those boots over his jeans, and he wouldnt have gotten wet. Mr. X was employed by Indiana Packers around 2011 or 2012. Ron Logan: Enough already. Im not saying anymore in an attempt to protect LEs directive. This person is externalizing their pain into rage and projecting it outwards at the world. Kline - who is heavy-set and pasty-faced - used an image of a ripped and muscular young man to trick underage girls into speaking to him. The stories vary from one of the girls still alive crying for help while the other lays dead next to her, the killer moving the bodies into disturbing poses or the killer violating one of the girls who was still alive and the body of the first girl that was killed. When investigators got that device, they found that many files had been deleted and social media apps uninstalled. Please help me out here. This GPS device showed that his phone had been at the CPS building from 12-5 on the day of the murders. FSG knew everyone in town. That could be why they referred to BG as a creepy guy and still following us. Otherwise, and putting myself in their situation, if I saw someone at a distance on the bridge, I would have thought it was just another hiker and would not have been concerned that he was still following me. These two men, driving in the younger mans black truck with pink stripe, were witnessed in the vicinity on or near the cemetery road at approximately 5:30 AM February 14, 2017. I dont know if the bridge was within eyeshot of the spot where the girls were found. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Affidavit gives new updates on Dephi murders The March 17, 2017, affidavit sheds lights on the crime scene. One of his many interesting hobbies was abducting and raping young women. Watch on Oops, we couldn't find that track. Theres a connection that has been missed! Background to the Delphi Murders On Monday, February 13th, 2017, at around 1 pm, Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off near the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana. There is evidence that may have worked at a Tyson packing plant in Logansport in 2011-2012. This just doesnt bode well for him, I mean ESPECIALLY if you consider that he asked to search the Logan property and came up empty-handed. A series of events where one girl screamed and then was quickly hit on the head with a blunt object, which we believe is a gun butt. He was 18 in 1984, so we figured he graduated that year, but maybe he graduated in 1986 when he was 20. The catfishing situation is not what we think. CM: Not even going to bother to reveal his name. Like a coward, we would add. I dont know about you, but when I go to a nearby town, I dont generally take my cellphone and throw it in a bunch of weeds for the five hours that I was gone, coming back to my home hours later to retrieve it from the weeds. At the very least he could have made misleading statements. Within a ditch along a country road on her way home from school shortly after her murder. Bob Matlock, owner of the now-closed Jessies Bar & Grill, said Richard Matthews Allen and his wife were regular customers, often talking about the murders of 14-year-old Liberty Libby German and 13-year-old in 2017. Cause of death of one girl was a deep cut to the throat. My money is on an edged weapon. He went away for a bit and came back a while later with proof from LE that some of the things we have been reporting as rumors here are absolute fact. Of course they would look for that. So, to end my novel, I agree with you. Thank you for stopping by the site. The Delphi Murders: Four years later Libby & Abby's killer is still out there. They recovered Libbys phone, so they wouldnt still be looking for the audio/video. BG threw toilet cleaner over the girls and every object at the crime scene, thereby eliminating most if not all of the usable DNA. However, the other three have only peripheral involvement and may have committed no crime! The sigs are from the FBI and a court official. Investigators said the person behind the account posed as the model in order to groom underage girls and get them to send nude photos and their addresses and try to get them to meet. Same with Evansdale probably too. You claim he works at Indiana Packers then say his profession is woodworking. . This makes absolutely no sense at all. Mr. X is a very close friend of Mr. M. Mr. M was a 20 year old man who impregnated one of the girls. There was a helicopter/drone photoset going around in a FB group in the last few days (don't remember which group). Much more on that below. Best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, lost a lot of blood during their murders with an unspecified weapon and were not killed in the same location where their bodies were discovered close to a trail where they had set off on a fun day out together just hours earlier. I am not revealing the name of the main suspect here and will only refer to him as Mr. X. I also request all commenters to also refer to him as Mr. X. I do this as a simple measure to try to protect his identity. Hindsight is 20-20 and this case might have been the one case out out of a million that might have borne fruit had they continued searching. Face is in quotes because it's likely my mind just making a rational picture out of sticks and tree trunks. What I noticed in the article is that in cases of stating and posing bodies, the perpetrator and the victims are, compared to other murders, on average, older. Because statistically, the chance that it is a crazy serial killer would be smaller. According to video recovered from one of the victim's phones, Abby or Libby mentioned "gun" as a man approached them, the probable cause affidavit said. As if her murder itself wasn't mysterious enough, the case would see twists, turns, and dead ends along with mysteries within the mystery. I appreciate your style about not being afraid to put out things others wouldnt dare & or might even get accosted over doing soThose idiots are WEAK& most of them are hypocritesSome of the new YouTubers even, they first bitch about the same thing, then they start a channel, and the next thing you know, their moderators are hacking/choking& putting that ass in the corner for hours before allowing u to crawl back in, all bruised, & compliantNot for me. Bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in left pocket.*. It could explain why there was such a drastic image change of BG from first sketch to second one. According to Garrett, it's unlikely Allen would be bloody if a gun was the only murder weapon, unless Allen handled the bodies in some manner. Yes, I think Mr. X did this crime. Robert, I believe Mr. X has an ex-wife. In fact, the rumor is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. But after continuing to receive these pings and after it being 5 years, I went back and decided to post as these images have since plagued me. Hes bored and has nothing to do, so we recruited him to sleuth for us. Otherwise why do we have religions? Deals with gruesome matters concerning the brutal sex murders of four female minors mostly about two young teenage girls aged 13 and 14 but also a bit about related murders of two little girls aged 8 and 10. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. There is also the possibility that the act itself created the impression of posing when in fact it was not. We reported them one year before it came out in the media that they were all true. Would love to join the private group. The scope of this investigation in terms of who the police think did it and how it unfolded has been dramatically narrowed. What are they doing to move this forward? Aside from the sketches released, authorities have indicated that the killer left behind physical evidence. Well have a conversation about it, hell say, you know, Its such a tragedy, and well say were sorry for the families and all of them. Delphi, Indiana from at least 1984-2021. Crime scene photos leaked? The bodies were found posed by the killer, who is believed to have been between five and ten feet tall and 180 to 200 pounds. So Mr. X did not ask him to search for his keys, he was officially asking to search for the girls according to ol Ronny boy. Not so much for 15 year old girls. She says if the girls help with her filing work, she . I DO think that if there is evidence of staging that insinuates a methodology , therefore suggests it could be a serial killer. The release of the search warrant comes several months after Indiana State Police announced that they were investigating a fake online profile called anthony_shots in connection to the case. We have no idea why the order was issued. I would think a crime like this would occur and the perpetrator would be gone. But no, that was not the case. Its certainly possible that she may well have not recognized Mr. X, even though he was apparently a neighbor. Anyway, even if there was PIV sex, the victim would have died soon after the sex and the tiniest speck of a fetus, the size of a pencil dot on a sheet of paper, along with it. Residence at time of crime: Delphi, Indiana since 1984. It is unclear when and where the photo was taken. The knife in the log was located near the girls right shoulder. And Mr X was involved in a Christian teen club! But he is also said to have shared his Anthony_shots password with others - including his father - and said his dad could be a prime suspect in the killings. 43 sec is probably the time they have of the man on the girls phone recording. It says at one point apparently Machine Operator as a title, but then the vid definitely makes it a point to focus on Christian Teen Club. Not sure what the implication is there, but one can certainly imagine. On the day of the murders, he was wearing a blue jacket and jeans. Note that it was parked in head first. Hey, its a capitalist country, right? Best of all, much of our information is via solid sources such as search party members, official case documents, and LE sources close to the investigation. My ideas, of course, are just speculative like those put forth by others. I think this whole crime scene was severely compromised but still doable It is unclear whether they were referring to Allen or not. If he didnt have his keys, he could not move his truck. 3) This man is a *heavy* smoker and a functioning alcoholic. Kegan Kline, 28, of Peru, Indiana, was named as a possible suspect in the girls' murders. I was never aware that anyone had any good evidence against this harmless-looking fellow. Even after the arrest of a suspect on Oct. 26, police have declined to answer most questions about the case, saying they don't want to jeopardize the prosecution. Mr Xs alibi is it true that the person who is now deceased is a police officer who committed suicide? Thank you! Pay no attention to the first sketch, which looks like a middle aged man, Mr. X. July 22, 2017 truthtellersweb. Whatever it was that caused her to react in such a way, I just hope she shared with law enforcement. Anyway, where you at with this case now? The only DNA found on the girls was that of Kelsi, sister of Libby. Deals with gruesome matters concerning the brutal sex murders of four female minors - mostly about two young teenage girls aged 13 and 14 but also a bit about related murders of two little girls aged 8 and 10. Have for a long time. I guess I also wonder how everyone put such and effort to look only a few hours after being missing. However, the investigators have made it clear over the years that they are not yet ready to release further information about what happened to the teens. They were town volunteers, right? Interesting. He was right in the middle of all the police and media, and no one suspected him. The sheriffs deputy did not work on the case. Unverified and Probably Not True. It was dusty and disheveled. Could it that the killers were middle aged men, DP and not sure yet, maybe FSG but both dressed exact same so people would be confused? Hey Robert, absolutely love reading your blogs. In a press conference on Monday, the state police took the first step towards providing justice to the brutally killed juveniles. LE doesnt like being lied to, especially when they are investigating a double homicide. So the rumor that he filmed the crime and sent the film to a victims phone is proven. Furthermore, almost nothing of consequence is being said, and it reminds you of a night with your friends drinking, and no one says one thing of importance for hours. People are saying this is a coincidence, but apparently LE does not believe it is coincidental. These idiot cops. Mr Logans home was just 1,400 feet from the location where Libby and Abbys bodies were discovered on Valentines Day 2017. Mr. X was a senior in high school at the time. Then there is always the question of his occupation. Been following your blog from the start, and this is so close to what I have been feeling for a while now. I see that you have replied to someone after mine, I am genuinely curious about this difference in graduation dates and would like to chat. If this main POI isnt the bridge guy, he is definitely, without a doubt in my mind, involved in the murders of Abby and Libby in some form or fashion. If I happened to be out that day lets say partying or doing some stuff that maybe I shouldnt have been doing, and I witnessed something and had information Im telling you right now, I would think twice, then I would think two more times before I would even consider coming forward because I would be scared shitless that LE would throw my ass in jail for something completely unrelated just like they did to RL. He passed away in 2020. Indiana Cold Cases is similar and so is True Crime Jesus. See below for which rumors we believe are proven and which are unverified. We are not sure of Mr. Xs current job, but we think he might be selling wooden signs that he makes by himself and sells. This seems to be one of the motives for the homicide. This girl was refusing to get an abortion that he wanted her to get. San Francisco's ultra-luxurious Four Seasons Residences sells just 13 of its 146 apartments, as street crime and drug abuse are blamed for deterring prospective buyers including Steph and Ayesha Curry, Top female cop is SUSPENDED without pay for 120 days by New Orleans' Police Department after she was 'caught filing timesheets while doing private security work'. It's crazy some of the stuff people will make up for attention. If it's real, it's very sad, but it's likely people grasping at straws. "Why would the police withhold [the cause of death]? That can only mean one thing. Richard Allen, a 50-year-old Delphi man, was arrested last month. No ones been hurt by this case more than Becky Patty. In the years since Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered, there have been no arrests. He had his keys with him, so why didnt he move his truck when they asked him to instead of lying and saying he couldnt because he had lost his keys? A girls hand wrapped around a knife which was plunged into a log that she was resting her head on. Maybe. Most of the rest are not bad people, but they are showboats, loudmouths, and boasters with egos the size of small planets. He may well have had a deer blind on the Mears property. Lets call this the intuitive hunch of an MI veteran. DELPHI FBI Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents. Then he needed 2-3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience. I dont know this man very well, but he wasnt in on this crime. He prefers whiskey, its his drink of choice and hes off without it. My understanding was that an FBI agent was visiting family in Delphi and assisted in the search when he heard about it (as it is a very small town, most people heard about the girls missing that night and the search the night they failed to return); FBI agent assists in search as essentially a volunteer, and when it becomes apparent by late night - early morning that there may be something more sinister than the girls simply getting lost, he assisted with request of local authorities (as is required unless it is w/in FBI jurisdiction, as this was not) with getting the FBI to the scene the next morning. You said in your blog that Mr. X was friends with Ron Logan. He has connections with current LE officers. , updated He got turned in because two brothers for some reason were saying that he was BG. A heavily-built man in jeans and a blue jacket could be seen approaching the girls, and in a brief snippet of audio that was released the man could be heard saying 'Down the hill' to the girls. Derrick German: Libbys father, meth dealer, convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence. BG must have fired his gun at some point in this crime. I sorta did wonder where he was from 12 to 430ish. Cops have told us more than they told any of those guardians. Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said the information in the probable cause affidavit is "self-explanatory" and declined to comment further. Im not sure how he got there, if he drove a car, or if so, where he parked it. Theres only one parent. And when they said BG was actually better described as a combination of both sketches, they were correct too. I tend to think that it goes deeper than only Mr. X being involved though. Thank you Mr. Lindsay for significant information on this terrible case. Hes a local executive of a government function or perhaps better yet a nonprofit of some sort. Reminiscent of a small hatchet, not a typical knife. Some of this confusion is probably natural, since the the whole B family has gone underground. Long, 22 pages. That is the statement from the woman on the search team. And Mr. X or BG is the one who used that catfish to bring Libby in. Didnt he at the time live down the street from Logan? Specifically, we are getting much of the the following information straight from the cops themselves. The police cant prevent private citizens from searching on their own, and its my understanding that many did. Robert Lindsay is the leader of a sleuthing group that presently has ~230 paid members. She has channeled her pain into grief and sadness. Over the years numerous people have have been put forth as possible suspects in the case. Five years later, Abigail Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were taken into custody Friday five years after Allen, 50, was found dead on a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, in February 2017. Then that's no "grudge"., That's called pure evil. Friends with Ron Logan on whose property the crime occurred. Oh one more thing. Did he eat? Would you please email me? The friend texted a man named David, who claims to have found the bodies, because there were alleged crime scene photos leaked online. This has helped me a lot. The shocking new details about the murders that have rocked the community of Delphi, Indiana, for more than five years came to light in a search warrant obtained by podcast The Murder Sheet and shared with The Independent. A famous one is the Lewiston Killer in Lewiston, Idaho in the late 1970s. Can you explain to me how LE would know that BG filmed his crime if he didnt send that crime footage to the girls phones? I believe you could be spot on with your main POI. Lawyered up, not talking. Why on Earth would anyone hang around near their vehicle for a full day just because they lost their keys? Yes it is all speculation. Multiple, multiple deep stab wounds.. These are mostly hate sites. Q&A with Tara and Becky. He can be heard saying, "Guys, down the hill," in the short video and investigators created two composite sketches based on this evidence. LE thinks he stashed his phone at the CPS building during the murders. Instead they were penetrated with inanimate objects, which, last time I checked, do not cause pregnancy. 7) Hes local. Where his truck was parked was a five minute walk to the crime scene. Thats good enough for us to be probative. We can look into any case we want! No, he didnt kill his own granddaughter. Which of them is LEs chief suspect? The sketch of the younger man is the catfish of the 19 year old boy used to lure in Libby from Snapchat. He did commit the crime because the younger sketch is just BG in catfish form, his other younger personality that he used to snare victims. So that means he killed these girls because theyre chicks too! Doesnt sound like a logical progression of thought to me. We also have at least one other search warrant for another home. Im not sure if its better that way or not. Privacy Policy. There would have to be some sort of connection to Mr. X for me to suspect him, and I dont see any as of yet other than odd behavior in searching for the girls. Why would the police lie about where they found them tho that doesnt make sense. River searched near home of man police say posed . Are they deliberately lying to us? was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details. I thought nobody looked like the BG in the actual video than PB (especially compared to that FB image with a deer)But now, not a chanceKirts fits that mofo better than allIts in the cheeks, the spit, etcThe cops have known for a while its him too I think. No, I wasnt aware that she existed. We all go through shit in our lives, but if she wants to stop making enemies, she can stop picking fights. Youre not necessarily going to get that so much with a blunt type of weapon, Morgan said. Indiana State Police's analysis of Allen's gun "determined the unspent round located within two feet" of one of the victims "had been cycled through Richard M. Allen's Sig Sauer Model P226," the probable cause affidavit said. Im confused. Okay, I think I have the name which I garnered from another website. Now, Im not a member of LE, and I have never claimed to have investigation experience, but I believe Im a fairly intelligent person with at least average reasoning skills. We have almost no information about the cause of death or what the crime scene looked like. Of course, there are trolls saying that the information Ive given is info thats already known. Please check out my YouTube channel, MsPsychic Sleuth. Thank you so much for this excellent comment, Jennifer! By that I mean that he probably has offended many times but being transient affords one the luxury of not getting caught. I see hot, humid conditions. The warrant indicated that an FBI agent said Logans voice is not inconsistent with that of the person in the video.. Instead, their families are holding on to the hope that this is the year their killer is brought to justice. It is an open case so anything else you want to know look and maybe you will find. Expunged just means taken out of public records. Please email if you do not want to reply here. They had no history of behavior indicative of disregarding or disrespecting their parents/guardians by running off to a friends house just to show up later. Investigators think the bodies of slain Delphi girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were staged and moved at the crime scene, court documents obtained by The Murder Sheet podcast revealed; the shows founders joined Nancy Grace and her expert guests on Wednesdays Crime Stories to discuss the case. Instead pay attention to this new sketch, some kid. I also have to disagree with you about your criticism of the police for calling off the search at 3 AM. I like some of these guys. I think the girls met up with BG somewhere on that trail before they got onto the bridge. As CrimeOnline previously reported, 13-year-old Abby and 14-year-old Libby were murdered in 2017, but the killer remains elusive. People are saying that we have a copy of the gag order that was issued on the towing of the truck at the CPS building. It says they are looking for photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, film, etc. But its definitely him! In other words, LE are convinced that BG filmed or videotaped his crime. Was Mr X aware of the pregnancy and the murder was to hide that fact? At least some people like me. And humans are animals too. They're stills from the helicopter footage during the search. Hey I wanted to see what you think on Kirts now with the time thats passed, and lot more evidence published out there (mainly the Open Secrets YouTube channel interviews with Kirts & CM)..& Ed Bounds YouTube channel Crime PursuitBoth have incredible detail with Kirts himself seriously all but admitting to being the Delphi suspect. They have thought they had the right guy several times in the Zodiac case, but all of the suspects fell through. Then come email me and I will send you a link to the private group and a password to get you in. No, LK is the real deal. 10) Regarding crime scene: Red herrings to throw off law enforcement. I wonder how they made sure everyone on that team stayed tight lipped, especially after all of this time. Young girls menstrual cycles can be so messed up until possibly a few years later. Does he say where he thinks they were found, if not 50ft from the water? Others close to the victims, who I will not name, have channeled their grief into rage and lashing out at everyone around them. Turned out he was just some troll who wanted people to think he committed these murders instead of being the person who actually did them. I am hoping this will possibly fit with somone elses knowledge and it will be helpful. Thing is, over time your information tends to get better. She cited instances of abuse and alcoholism. For the first time, the warrant reveals that they were killed by some type of weapon but the word is redacted in the document. (Images via the FBI). One problem was we went down the rabbit hole chasing the wrong guy for a couple of years. This is at a time when he and his alibi place him out of town in a nearby city. The Hanish & Bowen case have revealed this for them (thus the new direction & young BG sketch & ditching of old BG sketch in 2019 a month after Hanish)I bet Hanish was catfished using that Anthony_Shots account toohe mustve been told or overheard info about the Delphi murders & therefore removedBowen removed for either the same thing or fact she knew the truth behind Hanish murder (b/c I definitely am not buying that Kirts is bisexual & choked him out during a weird sexcapade, gimme a break). Hello Jacqui. Join the best Delphi sleuthing group of all! Ill leave it up to you to believe what you want to believe. Copyright 2023 Distractify. This had been done on other occasions, at least one other we know of in the 2000s. The manner of death has never been revealed. 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